Feb 17, 2010
Where their more people on the Earth during the time of Adam and Eve?
We have already shown that trees are symbolic for people and therefore resulted in more people being in Eden other than Adam, Eve and the serpent.
I will back this up for you using basic English grammar rules. This can also go very deep but I will try and keep it as simple as I can. We have already shown that “man” is a descriptive word meaning ruddy. Please keep this in mind when reading the following passages.
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
Please note God is speaking about a singular person here as shown by the use of the word HIM.
Man is description and gender in this case.
HIM is number being singular and gender.
We then see a semicolon which means end of action, start of a new action but related to action before.
God goes on to say after a semicolon, meaning new action.
Gen 1;27 male and female created he them.
God says Male ( plural) and Female(plural) created He THEM ( plural).
Please note females are mentioned here and we know Eve has not been made yet. Some will call this use of Male and female wording here paraphrasing, but you cannot paraphrase something that has not happened yet. For instance, you cannot paraphrase Eve if Eve have not been created yet. This is the first occurrence of the female being mentioned. It seems Eve was not the first woman on earth. We know this is true if you go to symbolic Beasts and Fowl thread.
So let’s call the singular guy, HIM and the plural people, THE THEM.
God goes on to give two separate and different instructions. Let’s look at the following passage.
GEN 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
So God told THEM to go ahead and take dominion and start replenishing the earth.
But to Adam/HIM God gave a different instruction :
Ge 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
So whilst the THEM went to take dominion over the earth , God took the singular man and put HIM in the garden to keep it.
We know that God had a relationship with this man as they spoke together, this man was more like a friend and companion to God.
Do you see the two different instructions for the two groups?
Eventually God sees that it is not good for this singular man to be alone and that HE couldn’t find a partner amongst the THEM.This is covered later in the “Symbolic Beast and Fowl thread”
Enter EVE in GEN 2;22.
Adam and Eve and their bloodline, later to become Israel, are also known as the Sons of GOD and the THEM people are later to be called the sons and daughters of men. These end up being the gentile ruddy nations.
It is very important we see this as many scriptures are horribly distorted due to the fact we just cannot see more than one creation in Eden. Let me give you a perfect example of this distortion in the following passage.
GEN . 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Now most people read that sentence as “ The angels of God came down and had children with humans and that resulted in their children being giants” ( nephilim)
That sounds more like a mythological, pagan teaching to me.
Let’s look at the passage again and read it slowly.
GEN . 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days;
Fair enough, and I’m sure there were giants in those days. No problem so far.
Next sentence.
and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,
OK, So AFTER THAT for starters. AFTER there were giants in the earth. Meaning there were giants before the sons of God took daughters of men and had children.
God is very specific about how He words the scriptures. Had HE wanted us to think these giants were a result of this union He might have said.
“ Sons of God saw the daughters of men were fair and bare children, the same were giants and were men of old……”
But God did not say that at all.
Remember earlier I said the Single Adam line were known as the “ Sons of God” and the plural, THEM were known as the “ Sons and daughters of men”
Let us see if this is true by going back a chapter in the Bible. To
Genesis 5;3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
5:6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
5:7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
5:10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
Now logically who would Seth have begotten children with if he didn’t take a woman from the THEM?
Same as with his son Enos and so on and so on. They would have had to taken for themselves woman from the THEM, the daughters of men,
or they would have been an inbred lot.
Don’t tell me that the incest law had not been written yet, so it was not applicable. They still knew not to inbreed as we know from the story of Noah and Ham resulting in the inbred Canaan being cursed by God.
Isn’t is amazing how it is all in the Bible, all we need to do is seek and apply a little logic. No need to get complicated as God has given it unto us babes. Do you see that if we do not read slowly and carefully how we can get so horribly lost. Satan has a field day with us and how we warp God’s word to form a new doctrine within Christianity. This is Satan’s favourite tactic.
God Bless in Truth and revelation.
Please go to the next topic in this series ” Symbolic Beast and Fowl “
When dealing with the Word of the living God, one must take into account all words between the two covers! Job 1;6 satan is regarded as one of the sons of God!
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
Then secondly, the original scriptures did not contain the semicolons you refer to…they were added later – these things you did not take into consideration and therefore, you guys misunderstand alomost everything.
Then also when taking Gen. 5:1 and verse 3 into acount as well as Gen. 3:6 it become clear that Adam had the image of God ON THE DAY God created them but after the sin mentioned in Gen. 3:6 , Adam no longer had the image of God….How can a sinful man have the image of the holy God? For that reason, man need to be born again in the spirit ( John 1:12 and 13 as well as John 3:6 ) and be re-created or reformed to the image of God ( 2 Corinthians 3:18 ). Clearly you have no idea what these things mean as you never had part in it.
It is clear to me that you have not yet grasped the effect of sin! Until that day come, you should rather not speak about the Word of God…rather repent to the one and only Teacher (Mat. 23:8-12) called Christ Jesus so you can truly understand. At the moment you fall around like a blind man in darkness.
Dirk dear, Not even I have the patience to jump into your bowl of fruit salad. SATAN A SON OF GOD.!! HE WAS EVIL FROM THE BEGINNING. SATAN IS AN EVIL SPIRIT AS GOD IS THE SPIRIT OF GOOD. It is like asking who created God. God is. Satan is. I think admin will sort it out for you.
Pamela,
Do you really believe God created an enemy for Himself?
NO, when lucifer was created, God created him also in His image just like He did ON THE DAY when creating man! But only after lucifer wanted to rise and exalt himself to the position of CREATOR his place was no longer found in the kindom of God.
Adam made exactly the same mistake…have another look at Gen. 3:6 and you will see that Eve though it would be the “in thing” to no longer have the mind of God but to have her own mind…meaning that she also, like satan, wanted to be God.
Fact is, God does not really have a problem with that as He created man in HIS image but truth is that God is CREATOR and the CREATION is CREATION and can never be CREATOR…God IS the truth and the truth remains and whosoever become an enemy of truth, also become the enemy of God.
Acording to your way of reasoning;
A) either satan created himslef or
B)God was stupid enough to create an anemy for Himself..
You tell me wich one of the two it is that you believe.
Dear Pamela,
Take heed not to add your own words like “pure” or “white” etc and neither should you take any word out of His wonderful Word….Rev. 22:19
Be careful not to think above that wich is written. The translators added the words “of men” in the scripture below. leave out the man added words and don’t take them into account and the truth will enlighten you..
1 Cor. 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think [of men] above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
You are right let us not add or subtract from Gods word. Please give me your take on the “Pure in his Generations”. To think above what is written does not mean not to think at all. For you to tick me off means that you have a different thought about the statements lets hear.
First tell me where in the scriptures did you find that phrase “pure in his generations” and then only will I be able to giv you my take of it.
Gen 6;8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Hi Dirk
Job 1:6 Does not include Satan as a Son of God. Let’s replace the words and see it it makes sense.
” The zebra’s went to the watering hole AND the hippo was also there ”
Does this now make the hippo a zebra ?
No. not at all.
Adam was created in the image of God and we were created in the image of Adam, which makes it the same image.
If Adam looks and is shaded like God and we look and are shaded like Adam, there is no difference.
Yes,we were a fallen state spiritually than what Adam was when he was first created but this has no bearing on the word “image” used in Genesis and their physical appearance.
Dirk, you go wrong where so many churchians do as you ignore the other side of the sword and Spiritualise everything and completely ignore the physical side.
Question: Are you only stealing or coveting someone else’s property when you think about doing it or also when you have stolen it ?
We sin physically my friend so do not ignore the physical act.
Spiritual and physical have to work together or it doesn’t make sense.
You and all who only take into account the Spiritual will lose their salvation. Jesus wants obedience through acts as well as pureness of mind.
John 14;15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
I alsomentioned 2 Cor. 3:18 where the word “image” is also mentioned…if man never lost the image of God the why need het be conformed? The word of God is Spirit and is life and does not talk about phisical things….See John 6:63. Acording to John 6:63 the whole Bible is Spirit but the carnal understand not the things of the Spirit and therefore understand not the Word of God at all!
Ask God to give you the gift of the Spirit so you can understand the Spirit Word of God.
I forgat…as far as satan is concerned, he once was called lucifer before he sinned…therefore Job 1:6…I don’t that God tell satan to get out between the sons of God seeing he was not one of them…no, God even had a conversation with him. Satan surely did not create himself.
All sin is rebellion against God and is spiritual and caused by spirit as it is the spirit of a man that determine the way he live life…sin is not actions but is the “word” that is within a man/soul and therefore…
Mat. 12:33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
Dirk.
We have used the scripture and original Hebrew and Greek translations.
One cannot ignore the findings as we have not added or taken away from the Word.
If what we found was false, then how could it be so consistent?
I suggest you reserve your conclusion until you have read through all the topics on this site.
As for Satan being Lucifer, that is another false teaching.
The Bible clearly gives us two scriptures where He gives us all the names of Satan and not once is Lucifer mentioned:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Re 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
Let us break down Isaiah 14;4
ISAIAH 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased ! the golden city ceased !
We can see that this passage is directed to the king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:16
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
So this king is clearly a man and not a fallen angel. This man was brought down because of his vanity.
See “Satan no fallen angel”
http://bibleuncovered.co.za/2010/02/satan-no-fallen-angel/
Dear Admin,
Again you do not see the spiritual maning of Isiah 14 en especially verses 13 and 14. Clearly the man, the king of Babylon, knew there was no way he could ever leave this planet – if he lived today, maybe he had hopes as we travel into space! But in those days, I am sure no human ever even had the thought to undertake a trip into space to take up a position on a throne above “the stars” of God somewhere in heaven. That scripture explains where satan went wrong.
Then again Ezekiel 28:11 onwards we find things that does not really fit a human being ..
11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
Clearly the human being king of Tyrus never saw the garden of Eden, neither did he sit on God’s mountain, never could a human be a cherub. The same way Adam is called a son of God,(luke 3:38) yet he turned evil AFTER the day he was created, so also satan…do I really have to say more?
When the day come that you understand the spiritual meaning of the scriptures, ( like you should do acording to John 6:63) you will sing a new song like David did (Ps. 40:4 )and like the hundred and fourty four thousandS mentioned in Rev. 14:3 – (another thing the translators did was to ignore the fact that everytime revelation mention “thousand” , it should have been in the plural form “thousands” but because of their carnal minds could not understand it and changed the Word of God so they can understand it with their carnal minds and I know these things because I also refer the original scriptures everytime I see something that does not sound right spiritually.)
That “new song” is a gift from God and no man can teach himslef those words; same way the understanding of the Word is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8)that no man can take up for himself.
Adam was “born again” out of life into death the moment he sinned….and since then, ALL his children need be “born again” out of death into life – people who never had part in being “born again” will NEVER be able to understand these things..unfortuanatly, i do not recognise the words of the “new song” in your lingo.
Hi Dirk
It clearly sounds like you did not read the link I gave you Satan no fallen angel”as it answers your questions there.
The word : cherub”comes from the Hebrew H3742
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keru?b
ker-oob’
Of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure: – cherub, [plural]
Which you would know if you always go to the original translations. Now why does this not fit a human? The precious stones are symbolic of wealth and God’s blessings. Do a study on these stones.
Again I say; read all the posts on this site, your questions are answered there. I am not going to cover question I have already answered in other topics.
Do not copy and paste your answers and theories together, follow the evidence from beginning to end.
Challenge: Show me your version of where all the races came from in creation, if you have a viable argument using scripture I will look at it.
There is no possible way that all the races of the earth came from just two people, no sane person will make such a crazy statement, and no, the sun didn’t “burn”some people dark and give them thicker skulls and flat noses. That is evolution and contrary to scripture.
Dig deep Dirk and let’s see what you come up with.
It is now clear to me that you don’t even keep Noah’s flood in mind…and if you do, then you clearly DO NOT believe the Word of God at all but believe whatever you like.
Then, I could not care where these black savages and their brainless skulls come from, nor do I find any scripture telling me to sort out who God is supposed to save and who not, that is not my job, neither is it your’s – let God be God and let Him decide who He wants in His kingdom and who not. If you keep yourself busy trying to solve’s God’s problems, ( and that is what this site of yours is about ) you are the seed of satan and I see no difference between you and him….no wonder Pamela wrote: “God is. Satan is.”
Point is that satan had a beginning as he was created on some point in time ( time does not really exist for God) but that is not the case with God as He was and IS and IS to Come.
I want to suggest you stop being a teacher of things you can’t understand and that you should rather stop keeping yourself busy deciding for God who He should give the gift of the Spirit and whom not…
Believe me, if I could have it my way, I would wipe the last black flat nose face from this planet as to my experience these creatures cause nothing but “death” and the law of death rule them and cause me and others pain, discomfort and death. But if I could have it my way, the whole purpose of this planet would be in vain because acording to Ephesians 3:10 these evil ones are needed so the wisdom of God can be made known to all heavenly creatures!
Maybe, maybe God decide to save some of them and write his law on the hearts of some of these black evil ones and that will make life better for all of us here in africa – they belong to Him and therefore it’s up to Him to decide about that and is not my business, nor is it yours – let God be God or else you are the same as satan.
You are spilling your time and energy trying to tell me to take the Word physical – all the physical things in the Bible does have a spiritual meaning as the Bible is the sword of the spirit; not the sword of the flesh..
Dirk you are sadly mistaken.
Let’s start with Noah
Gen 6;8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The word “just”comes from H666 tsad-deek’
From H6663; just: – just, lawful, righteous (man).
There is only one law at this stage to be obeyed “thou shall not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil”which we have covered being race mixing.
“man”comes from Ädam”being ruddy.
So Noah was righteously ruddy.
The word “perfect”comes from the Hebrew; H8549
taw-meem’
From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth: – without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.
“Generations “comes from the word ” H1755
dore, dore
From H1752; properly a revolution of time, that is, an age or generation; also a dwelling: – age, X evermore, generation, [n-]ever, posterity.
Definition for the word “posterity” is pos·ter·i·ty Pronunciation (p-str-t)
n.
1. Future generations: “Everything he writes is consigned to posterity” (Joyce Carol Oates).
2. All of a person’s descendants.
So there you have it, proved again, no mixing. Simply saying what Pam said. Noah was spared because he did not defile his posterity with the ungodly and kept his flesh pure!!!
Nothing added, nothing taken away. There is no argument against this especially when you see it is the same subject covered over and over again through Adam & Eve, Cain and Abel, Noah. Ezra and the moabites and righteous Phineas all the way to the NT. Doctrine of Balaam, way of Cain, Defiling the flesh, sin unto death “mark of the Beast”
We do not condemn people, the Word of God does and we better believe it and follow suite or our lives are in danger.
You may not be a Churchian but you certainly teach the same false doctrine as they do which means you will be counted amongst the apostates.
You jump the gun as they do and turn everything into “Spiritual balony” therefore also missing the truth of Spirituality and have some satanic counterfeit instead. It’s very sad.
I hope you have read the “garden of Eden”thread ?
See if you can find anything contrary to our findings.
Read “Cain and Abel “and then “Cain’s apostate Church”for more insight.
If this site offends you then so be it… this information is not for you.
Hebrew 5;11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Admin, again there is something I wanted to mention, I am NOT a CHURCHIAN…I consider all these man-made churches the synagoge of satan..the beasts of Daniel and Revelation…whosoever belong to any one of these satanic institutions, had to become a member first and has given all his God-given authority over to that institution/church/club/beast – Rev. 17:13 and 17 but I refuse to do that and to be taught by any man and my advice to all fools in the “churches” is Rev. 18:4